Archive for March, 2012

John Stewart VS Obama’s War on Jobs and Growth and Everything Holy

March 17, 2012

I finally got around to watching last Mon.'s Daily Show (3/12).
I almost skipped the extended version of his interview with Grover Norquist when I saw how long it was.
After 7 minutes on air, another 20 can be found online, it is well worth watching.
If you ask me John tore him up, put him back together, repeat 14 times or more.

Grover Norquist's new book, Debacle, is about how weak the first recovery where the majority of the US House had signed his no taxes pledge was.

In other words, the economic debacle is Obama's fault for his radical Socialist policies (as if actual Socialist policies would not create a stronger recovery, duh, that's what it does, that's what it's for), which anyone could have predicted (as some did) way ahead of time. Never mind that we are basically still under the Bush tax code.

It's the ultimate in disaster capitalism, and he's their core theorist.
They help create the disaster, he sells us all the solutions (which is more of the same).
This makes New Orleans look like very small change (pun intended).

They name things with such equanimity, "Chapt. 5 Regulatory Thuggery" so you know you can trust them not to be partisan.


the pledge, deficit, and default Jul 2011
With video, Americans for Tax Reform's Daily Ticker interviews the Holy Founding Father.

Young Turks, Cenc has some choice words for Norquist Re: liberal name calling "parasites".

The Introduction, selections from Chapt 1, and Notes, from Debacle is free at Google Books:

Other Excerpts – Chapt.6 – Chapt.? – Chapt. 3

Grover Norquist's name comes before co-author John R. Lott, Jr. who is also a corporate intelectual professional heavy weight himself. To the degree that I refer to Grover Norquist instead of both authors, my excuse is that they all group-think with one mind anyway, like the borg, the ultimate socialization of the corporate marketplace of ideas. They all agree that everything that has exacerbated mal-distrubution is good. Norquist is convenient to focus on because he has focused on one single thing, the final solution to government.

Review of "Introduction; The Players" from "Debacle" on Google Books:

I'm no big fan of Obama, as any other Green Party volunteer operative fully understands, but this is hard to read.
It is the tried and false, and very tired, old just plain slander of the left, with all the specifics made applicable to Barak.

He promised to be sensibly moderate and not be a lefty. "But once in office, he took a hard left turn: overseeing a massive 21 percent increase in federal government spending from 2008 to 2011, creating the largest deficits that the United States had ever seen" (Which had nothing at all to do with the previous sensible moderate who started a couple wars to raise the price of oil, cut taxes a whole lot, especially on the rich and on corporations that he and his buddies owned, and eliminated so many regulations the whole planet's economy tanked due to fraud.)

Of course, Grover himself is still a big proponent of less regulation, as he shows in Chapt.6, "Step 9: Reduce the Regulatory Burden" (see – also – "DEBACLE is must-reading for everyone concerned about America’s economic future." while I wish this wan't true, it seems it is – if you don't know what crap they're peddling you won't know how easy it is to tear it up – "The sooner the Republicans win control of the Congress and presidency, the sooner we can begin to turn the country around." This seems to be the actual foundation upon which these political theories are erected, republican Party wins, all else be damned).

Obama rationing health care is directly implied by Larry Summers's listing of cutting redundant, harmful, and needless surgeries among the ways to save $700 million/yr in "our" health care? "system".

Obama is a socialist because of all the money he borrowed to the banks, cut from banks' taxes, and created by paying the banks to borrow it to us so we could lend it to them free of interest (standard minting dollars practice), "which have given us historic deficits" (and which have nothing to do with people not having enough money in circulation to get jobs to pay taxes on).

Yes, that money should have been put into circulation, and yes, then even I would proclaim it Socialism, but giving it to the banks is a specific kind of socialism that is considered very right wing and is often best left unnamed [not Socialism, per se, itself, but National(ist) Socialism].

Obama has a long time agenda against the right to bear arms, as evidenced by Grover's description of unattributed third party reports, and Obama's support for the UN Arms Trade Treaty, which was probably mostly written in the US State Dept.

Everyone who works for Obama is a bright young academic with no real world experience "outside academia and government," (unlike Norquist, who knows what it's like in the real world of running a non-profit with several rich angel donors), "elitists" (unlike Republicans, who never do the bidding of the elite for they see themselves spiritually as in brotherhood with every earthling) "who think they know what's best for others" (completely unlike certain other people), "that from their ivory towers they (sic) think that they can micromanage people's lives" (totally unlike those who feel we need lower taxes whether we want them or not).

( – "an American academic and political commentator. He has previously held research positions at academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the non-academic conservative American Enterprise Institute. He holds a Ph.D. in economics from UCLA, and his areas of research include econometrics, law and economics, public choice theory, industrial organization, public finance, microeconomics, labor economics, and environmental regulation.")

And don't forget that NAFTA thing, which Reagan started, and Bush pushed, and Clinton signed, and Bush enforced violently. International laws written by and for unelected very rich people and very large corporations, and which is now a wholly Obama owned and operated subsidiary of International Socialism (again, technically National Socialism is Socialism, and, technically, an imperial state's Nationalism is Internationalist, but …)

"Misleading Americans is viewed as all right as long as it is for a good cause."
(Of course this is only possible among Socialists and other lefties, like Fascists.)

A politician who misleads and obscures, who would imagine?
Next thing you know, extremely partisan writers will be writing (mis)leading statements.

"Why was unemployment still at least 9 percent 30 months into Obama's economic recovery?
Why has the median household income fallen and poverty risen by record amounts despite a recovery?"

Gee whiz! what a mystery Grover!
I sure wish someone could explain how that happened just for lil' ol' me.

I don't see why the guy who got the majority of our federal representatives to sign a pledge not to raise taxes regardless of the circumstances wouldn't be the logical choice to give me an impartial analysis of why giving the banks all our extra money didn't work out as planned.



Democracy = Find Mistake Most Learned From

March 14, 2012

Real democracy is not about the right answer, it's about attaining the mistake the most people will learn from. – MNL delta

Seeking Progressive Candidates – Join Our Discussion

March 8, 2012

The Wisconsin Green Party is committed to the election of a governor who is an ally of the progressive movement. Scott Walker should be replaced, but not by someone with a history of demanding concessions from unions or who has betrayed the environment, family farms, treaty rights or local democracy.

Our largest online community in WI is our email list @
Join and leave an easier to navigate record.

Monte Letourneau – Necedah WI
WIGP Corresponding Secretary, GPUS NC Delegate,

“Smartorstupid” Test 22

March 7, 2012

I got 20, mean is 18.5

be awake, i missed 2 that i know, and 3 I never chose an answer for – at least

My second time was much easier, I didn't have to read the questions. 24, mean 17.8, but in my haste my cramping fingers clicked at least 2 answers I knew to be wrong. I was hoping it would not be the same questions but it is.

So you only have one shot to do it right.
Monte Letourneau – Necedah WI

Here's a good one to keep you occupied.

 This is the kind of thing I really like!!!

When it says you only have 8 seconds to answer the question, they aren't kidding. 


March 7, 2012

“TV” Battleground? Or Political Training Ground? Truth For A Change!

March 2, 2012

There's a new show on (yeah, it's their own show, one of three) about the campaign of a woman running as an independent for Senate in Madison, WI.

Watching it is a great way to learn a bit about the semi-pro game, and a chance to steal a few good lines for working the phones or whatever, while just watching good "TV".

The candidate is a woman who is very much in Jill Stein's position, and, despite it being a very professional Hollywood production, Jill compares favorably in all matters charismatic and substantive.
Her name also starts with an S, so even the alliteration applies.

Those who are political campaign veterans, and those who like teenage romances, will all find this series enjoyable, as will very many more.
""For us, we don't need a show to take off in the first, second or third episode,""


This Morning, Jill Stein on Joy Cardin, WORT, and Sly

March 1, 2012

This morning, Jill Stein in on our airwaves, talking up the Green New Deal and the Wisconsin Green Party.

She'll be on WI Public Radio's Ideas Network with Joy Cardin at 7:30am statewide,
and then at 8:30am with WORT's Tony Casteneda's 8 O'Clock Buzz,
followed by 9:00am with WTDY's Sly in the Morning.

Be sure to tune in, and call in! Here's the info for the 7:30 show:

Monte Letourneau – Necedah WI
WIGP Corresponding Secretary, GPUS NC Delegate,

Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers On Infiltration of Occupations, with Commentary by Monte and Proof by WikiLeaks

March 1, 2012

original article @

this version also @ … an additional very interesting article containing actual evidence is

WikiLeaks Exposes Department of Homeland Security Spying on Occupy Movement @

My Commentary:

When I spout off I often imply the following, but here I want to make sure I'm clear. While I have studied this topic, and am probably about to compile and publish another list of (re)sources on the topic, the following post is my personal opinion and advice on concerns involving infiltration. While some of this has seen wide agreement when previously shared, the situation is very quickly evolving and I have no insight based on 21st Century experience, excepting from perusal of published materials.

I have seen a lot of people who spend a long time trying to wrap their heads around how stupid police infiltrators can look when they seem to be very obvious about what they are doing. Law enforcement knows more than anyone else that they cannot keep us in line unless they inspire us to police ourselves; this is the real meaning of "the thin blue line". The infiltrator method is intended to sow dis-unity within and make us look bad without, they cannot do this unless it is obvious to us that they can repeatedly break the law in this manner with impunity.

As well, any student of military tactics and history learns early and often that distraction and misdirection are primary tools of the hierarch. Next time you're wondering why someone infiltrating is being so easily spotted, look to the other side of the park and see who cometh there.

Unless you have proof that someone is an infiltrator, it is not a good internal political tactic to accuse one's internal opposition of having ulterior motive(s). The more obvious it is to you, the less it needs to be said, the less obvious the more you need to respect the other's right, and your ability, to be wrong, otherwise you may well be doing the infiltrators' job by sowing needless dissent. It is a core tactic of the infiltrator to foster the belief that you have been infiltrated and that you cannot trust your "leadership", and that real leaders cannot trust one another. Debate an idea on it's merits, use logic and reason, then it won't matter who is an infiltrator, and it won't matter who cries out another is infiltrating.

Not every long term infiltrator is there to lead from the front, or from behind, some are there to do the hard work patiently until they have the trust of the innermost circle(s), these can be trusted to accomplish group goals better than most "legit" volunteers… don't show then the door, use them (they may even turn to your side).

In a truly egalitarian organizational culture, there is no power to compel secret actions, and thus no danger from infiltrators that really matters internally. The occupy movement will continue to be immune as long as it remains legal and truly leaderless.

There is not much that one can say that they don't already know, the trust of the inner core is not sought to gain secrets as much as to plant unsustainable ideas for action and to sow division.

Their tactics are ever changing, as they must be. Consensus, transparency, and ubiquitous video transmissions change everything, but naivety remains.

Thinking and speaking honestly and clearly may be our only weapons but they are the powerful weapons that obtain exactly the results we seek.

Even if you know they are an infiltrator, the first thing to point out is that their logic is wrong, esp. when it is ad hominem (read about logic and reason, define "ad hominem" rather saying "personal attack").

Always remember that unless secrecy, breaking the law, and/or violence, become your objective(s), infiltrators cannot legally hurt you, yet also remember they may well feel less constrained by law than you should.

In effect, if we proceed, and respond, appropriately, all that infiltrators can do is to keep us on task and make us be honest with each other and ourselves.

Infiltration is a scary and complex topic that merits a lot of study and is not ever well enough covered, but one's response need not be fear and constant self-censorship. That response is their goal.

Horizontal and transparent power relations and decision taking, remaining observant, seeking modified consensus, trusting your friends to be wrong for all the right reasons, and logical reasoning of proposed actions, and arguments for them, these are the only useful responses.

One of the few things that give me hope is the way saboteur infiltration makes us stay on the cutting edge, if we are to remain effective at all. They are a major force driving our evolution towards the anti-hierarchy, egalitarian informational communications, reasoned logical debate, and death of ideology, which the wider consensus has long longed for.

Infiltration to Disrupt, Divide and Misdirect Is Widespread in Occupy

by: Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers, Occupy Washington, DC | Report

This is Part I of a two part series on infiltration of Occupy and what the movement can do about limiting the damage of those who seek to destroy us from within. This first article describes public reports of infiltration as well as results of a survey and discussions with occupiers about this important issue. The second article will examine the history of political infiltration and steps we can take to address it.

In the first five months, the Occupy Movement has had major victories and has altered the debate about the economy. People in the power structure and who hold different political views are pushing back with a traditional tool – infiltration. Across the country, Occupies are struggling with disruption and division, attacks on key persons, escalation of tactics to property damage and police conflict as well as misuse of websites and social media.

As Part II of this discussion will show, infiltration is the norm in political movements in the United States. Occupy has many opponents likely to infiltrate to divide and destroy it beyond the usual law enforcement apparatus. Others include the corporations whose rule Occupy seeks to end, conservative right wing groups allied with corporate interests and other members of the power structure including non-profit organizations allied with either corporate-funded political party, especially the Democratic Party which would like Occupy to be their Tea Party rather than an independent movement critical of both parties.

On the very first day of the Occupation of Wall Street, we saw infiltration by the police.  We were leaving Zuccotti Park and were stopped in traffic by the rear of the park.  We saw an unmarked van open, in the front seat were two uniformed police and out of the back came two men dressed as occupiers wearing backpacks, sweatshirts, and jeans. They walked into Zuccotti Park and became part of the crowd.

In the first week of the Occupation of Freedom Plaza in Washington, DC we saw the impact of two right wing infiltrators.  A peaceful protest was planned at the drone exhibit at the Smithsonian Institution.  The plan was for a banner drop and a die-in under the drones.  But, as protesters arrived at the museum two people ran out in front, threatening the security guards and causing them to pepper spray protesters and tourists.  Patrick Howley, an assistant editor for the American Spectator, wrote a column bragging about his role as an agent provocateur. A few days later we uncovered the second infiltrator when he was urging people on Freedom Plaza to resist police with force.  

There have been a handful of other reports around the country of infiltration.  In Oakland, CopWatch filmed an Oakland police officer infiltrating. And, in another video CopWatch includes audio tape of an Oakland police chief, Howard Jordan, talking about how police departments all over the country infiltrate, not just to monitor protesters but to manipulate and direct them.

There were also reports in Los Angeles of a dozen undercover police in the encampment before they were forcibly evicted by the police. The raid by the LA police was brutal and resulted in mass arrests, with most charges dropped, but with others mistreated in jails.  Similar pre-raid undercover activities were reported in Nashville, Tennessee.

Los Angeles also had infiltrators from the right wing group, Free Republic.  They posted on their webpage a call for infiltrators to block a vote concerning an offer from the City of Los Angeles for virtually free space for Occupy LA: “Need LA Freepers to show up to block this vote by the Occupy LA General Assembly. How brave are you?” In the end, the LA occupy decided not to accept the offer from the city, something also opposed by other elements in the encampment.

In New York, there were reports of infiltration.  For example, a protester described how undercover police infiltrated a protest at Citibank and were the loudest and most disruptive protesters. Later at the station listening to the police the protester said in an interview: It was a bit startling how inside their information was – how they were being paid to go to these protests and put us in situations where we’d be arrested and not be able to leave.”

Survey and Interviews of Occupiers Shows Common Tactics, Common Infiltrators

These scattered reports seem to be the tip of the iceberg.  As a result of experiencing extreme divisive tactics and character assassination on Freedom Plaza against us we began to hear from occupiers across the country about similar incidents in their occupations.  We decided to speak to and survey people about infiltration and have found similar stories around the country.

Recently we toured occupations on the west coast, where we spoke to many occupiers and have attended General Assemblies at Occupy Wall Street and Philadelphia. We heard stories in Arizona of someone with website administrative privileges deleting the live stream archive which included video that was to be used in defense of some who were arrested.  In Lancaster, Pennsylvania someone took control of the email list, making it an announce-only list and when the police threatened to close the camp, that person put out a statement that the Lancaster occupiers had decided to go without any conflict.  In fact, no such decision had been made and 30 occupiers had planned to risk arrest when the police tried to remove them. The false email resulted in no resistance.

Our west coast trip ended at the Occupy Olympia Solidarity Social Forum. We were able to survey 41 people representing 15 different occupations primarily on the west coast but including Missoula, MT and New Orleans, LA.  Participants were questioned about 10 different behaviors. The most common behaviors, seen in roughly two-thirds of those surveyed and covering 12 of the 15 occupations, were:

  1. Disruptions of the General Assemblies and attempts to divide the group: Individuals would interrupt General Assemblies with emergency items or sidetrack the agenda with their personal needs or issues. When proposals were presented to the General Assembly on principles for the occupation or plans to prevent division, individuals would question the authority of the writers of the proposal, launch personal attacks or question their abilities. There were frequent attacks on people who did the most work and were perceived as leaders. The anti-leadership views of many occupiers were used to essentially attack the most effective people. Sue Basko wrote about this in Los Angeles in a comment on a Chris Hedges article, writing that there was an “ongoing campaign of harassment and coercion against the Occupy LA participants and volunteers. Each day is a fresh set of victims.” She describes the use of Twitter, list serves and blogs to “defame and harass anyone giving their efforts to help Occupy LA.”  This has included attacks on “social media workers, the website team, the lawyers (including me), the medics, the livestreamers, the writers, and on and on.” She also writes “there is the very strong belief that some among them are FBI or DHS agents placed there to start the group, egg it on, control it.” Conversations with others in Los Angles confirmed this report. Our experience in the area of personal attacks included outlandish lies calling us criminals and thieves and near daily email attacks since early December.  We found that when we respond and correct lies, it does not stop them and have concluded that if someone has the intention to be a character assassin there is nothing you can do to stop them except to expose them. While that does not necessarily stop them, it at least gets those in the occupation who are not gullible to doubt the undocumented personal attacks.
  2. Individuals who took over the website and/or social media and then removed them or hacked them and took control: As noted above, these networks have been used in personal attacks, as well as to send inaccurate messages to the media and other occupiers. One mistake made is to allow a large number of people to have administrative privileges on the website. Being an administrator allows people to erase critical information as occurred in Phoenix.  In Washington, DC we have been removed as administrators of a Facebook page we created because we allowed people who turned out to be untrustworthy to have administrative privileges. Note, people can blog or post to Facebook or websites without being administrators.

Division over how money was being spent was an issue reported by 50% of respondents and in 12 out of 15 occupations, individuals persistently questioned transparency and use of funds. In General Assemblies in New York and Philadelphia we saw disruption by people who complained about money issues.  In New York, an argument about access to free Metro Cards resulted in a 30 minute argument. In Philadelphia, it was a vague complaint about “where is the money?”  We saw something similar at a 99%’s meeting in San Francisco where one of the questioners complained about missing money. And, we have seen the same in Washington, DC with false accusations of missing money. Sometimes these disruptors seem like homeless or emotionally disturbed individuals. They could be acting out their concerns or they could be encouraged by police to attend meetings to cause disruption and could be paid a small amount to do so.  Whether paid or not, the impact is the same – it takes the Occupy off of its political agenda and turns people off to participating in the movement.

Finally, the issue of escalation of tactics to include property damage and conflict with police:  The euphemism for this is “diversity of tactics.”  In fact, there is great diversity within nonviolent tactics. This is really a debate between those who favor strategic nonviolence and those who favor property destruction and police conflict. In 11 of 15 occupations there were reports of verbal attacks on police and/or escalation of tactics from nonviolence to property destruction or violence. In one occupation, an individual took over the direct action working group and escalated the tactics used beyond what the group had agreed upon.  In one occupy, the GA approved putting up a structure but agreed that if the police wanted it taken down they would promptly do so in order to prove the structure was temporary.  When the structure was up, a handful of people refused to take it down causing a 10 hour police conflict and undermining public support for the occupy.  In another occupation, because a minority of the occupy refused to adopt nonviolent strategies, a protest with the teacher union was cancelled preventing a major opportunity to expand the movement. When it comes to the issue of violence vs. property damage, it is particularly hard to tell whether the differences are political or instigated by infiltrators.

Participants were asked about attempts at co-optation by law enforcement, individuals or organizations affiliated with the Democratic Party and about suspected infiltration by right wing groups: 8 of the 15 occupations (41% of respondents) reported Democratic groups attempted to co-opt the occupation, using it to push or prevent a legislative agenda or using the occupation’s social media to change the times of protests or meetings. Far fewer reported suspicion or evidence of right wing infiltration (12% of respondents in four occupations), most stating that the corporate media provided poor or misleading coverage.  The most common form of infiltration was by law enforcement agencies (49% of respondents; 11 of 15 occupations). Some respondents reported having video evidence, some reported law enforcement officers having more information than they had been given, police using names of occupiers when names had never been provided and some suspected police infiltration but had no proof.

Of course, there is a lot of suspicion, but people are rarely able to prove infiltration. These incidents could be people with real political disagreement within the Occupy, or they could be people who are emotionally disturbed, mentally ill or who bring other personal challenges with them.  Or, it could be an infiltrator manipulating these people, playing on their fears and prejudices.  This is not a simple issue, as we will discuss in Part II, it is best to judge people by their actions and not label them as infiltrators without direct proof.

Some may wonder why Democrats or groups closely affiliated with the Democrats like MoveOn, Campaign for America’s Future, Rebuild the Dream or unions like SEIU would want to infiltrate the Occupy (note: individuals who are Democrats, union, MoveOn or members of other groups are not the same as the leadership). Essentially, leaders of these groups see Occupy as the Democrats’ potential answer to the Tea Party.  Occupiers do not see themselves that way, but these groups want the Occupy to adopt their strategy of working within the Democratic Party. In one example, Eric Lottke, a senior policy analyst for SEIU who has been involved in Occupy DC, appeared on a radio show with two other occupiers from Occupy Washington, DC and Occupy Oakland. Lottke said he was speaking as an occupier from Occupy DC and talked about ‘taking back Congress in 2012′, the need for an electoral strategy and gave the usual Democrat rhetoric about Obama needing more time. The two other guests said Lottke was completely out of step with most Occupiers who say we should not focus on electoral politics but instead should build an independent movement to challenge the corrupt system.  We doubt the Occupy DC General Assembly agreed with Lottke’s pro-Democratic Party, pro-Obama views but Lottke had positioned himself to speak for them. Van Jones of Rebuild the Dream similarly was appearing in the media as if he were an occupy spokesperson claiming there will be 2000 “99% candidates” in 2012; again trying to push Occupy into Democratic electoral politics. These are just two examples of many Democratic Party operatives trying to send Occupy into Democratic Party politics despite the movement consistently describing itself as independent and non-electoral.

In Washington, DC we have seen some occupiers attacking the National Occupation of Washington, DC ( scheduled for this April, while other occupiers have shown enthusiasm for it.  Solidarity with NOW DC has been shown by 19 General Assemblies of occupations from around the country.  InterOccupy classifies it as a national Occupy event. The attackers have been criticizing NOW DC by attacking the authors of this article. This attack is occurring at the same time that Democratic Party aligned groups have announced their own project which occurs at the same time as NOW DC, the “99%’s Spring.” Thus far the dividers have succeeded in preventing solidarity from the two DC occupations with the rest of the Occupy Movement. Is the timing a coincidence?

No doubt the information in this article is incomplete.  We have only been able to survey and talk with people at about 20 occupies.  We would very much like to hear from others around the country about experiences at their occupation as understanding these tactics is the first step to confronting and addressing them. (Send your comments to

In Part II of this series we will focus on the history of government infiltration and destruction of political movements and political leaders and will examine steps that can be taken to minimize the damage from these tactics. One thing evident from the history: infiltration has been common in political movements for a century and the tactics of division, attacks on leaders, escalation of tactics, fights over money and misinformation to the public are common throughout that history.

Kevin Zeese is executive director of Voters For Peace and serves on the steering committees of and the Bradley Manning Support Network.

Margaret Flowers MD, is a pediatrician who serves as the Congressional Fellow for Physicians for National Health Program.


We all need to be experts in everything. We all need to learn how to construct a good argument. We all need to learn to lead, and to follow. We all must learn to press the cutting edge of available communications technique, and become comfortable always being on both sides of the camera.

!! Film, publish, archive, and back up, everything!!!

!!! Do not allow a single person to control the message!!! yet do not allow everyone to!! -> ??

Do not let money become a divisive corrosive issue.

Solutions must be found to allow distributed control of finances and telecom, currently, some promising work is being done on more user friendly ad-hoc wireless mesh networks based on users' handheld mobile devices (making our com devices able to host their own server/relay backbone for our own network – of course, these would still be susceptible to jamming countermeasures equipment).

Remember, the means cannot be separated from the ends, the ends are the means.

Have no solo responsibilities. Cross train everyone all the time. Resist divisive accusations by ignoring them. Seek first and foremost consent of the super-super-majority. Pay attention. Ignore those who use personal attacks, wild gesticulating, yelling, and other irrelevant methods to avoid reasoned debate. Know, study, and learn to think like, your enemies, and your friends. Be clear and very public about objectives, means, and ends. Expose the internal opposition's logic, never attack their personality. Seek first and foremost what is most widely agreed upon rather than what is absolutely right, correct, or perfect. Don't debate ideology, if you can't make your case without it you will not achieve consensual relations. Don't plan or do anything you would not be proud of. Respect the time of your fellows and they will be more respectful of your time.

Revere and cherish Love, Respect each other, these remain the crucial answers.

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